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04/15/2009 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 15, 2009                                                                                         
                           8:02 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz, Vice Chair                                                                                 
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Robert L. "Bob" Buch                                                                                             
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 206                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing a career assessment requirement in public                                                                  
schools; and relating to postsecondary courses for secondary                                                                    
school students."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     -HEARD & HELD                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 206                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: HIGH SCHOOL ASSESSM'T/POSTSECONDARY CLASS                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): EDUCATION                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DIANNE BARRANS, Executive Director                                                                                              
Post Secondary Education Commission                                                                                             
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Offered advice  during the  hearing on  HB
206.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
EDDY JEANS, Director                                                                                                            
School Finance and Facilities Section                                                                                           
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
206.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MARSHA OLSON                                                                                                                    
Teaching/Learning Support (TSL)                                                                                                 
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
206.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DAVID ARP, Business Manager                                                                                                     
Sitka School District                                                                                                           
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the hearing on HB 206.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SAICHI OBA, Assistant Vice President                                                                                            
of Student Services & Enrollment Management                                                                                     
University of Alaska (UA)                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the hearing on HB 206.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:02:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PAUL  SEATON called the House  Education Standing Committee                                                             
meeting  to order  at 8:02  a.m.   Representatives Seaton,  Buch,                                                               
Gardner, Edgmon,  and Keller were  present at the call  to order.                                                               
Representatives Munoz  and Wilson arrived  as the meeting  was in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:03:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB 206-HIGH SCHOOL ASSESSM'T/POSTSECONDARY CLASS                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  206, "An  Act establishing  a career  assessment                                                               
requirement  in public  schools;  and  relating to  postsecondary                                                               
courses for secondary school students."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:03:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER moved  to  adopt  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB   206,  Version  26-LS0765\E,  Mischel,                                                               
4/10/09,  as  a working  document.    There being  no  objection,                                                               
Version E was before the committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:03:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON described  the  changes  made in  Version  E.   The                                                               
first, in  Section 1,  subsection (b),  changed language  so that                                                               
the  school  district  in  which   the  student  is  enrolled  in                                                               
secondary school  shall "make  arrangement for  the fees  for the                                                               
appropriate postsecondary  courses in which the  student enrolls"                                                               
[under AS 14.03.074],  rather than "pay the course  fees".  Chair                                                               
Seaton  explained  that  some  people  interpreted  the  original                                                               
language as  saying the school  districts would have to  pay full                                                               
tuitions  and  could not  make  other  arrangements.   The  other                                                               
change,  he  noted, was  the  addition  of  Section 2,  which  is                                                               
related  to  the intent  of  HB  215  to provide  incentives  for                                                               
schools to keep students from dropping out of school.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:05:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  opined that "shall make  arrangements for                                                               
the  fees"  is ambiguous  and  that  a  school district  may  not                                                               
understand its obligations.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:07:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  said she received feedback  from the school                                                               
district  in  her  constituency  that it  wanted  to  "have  more                                                               
involvement."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:08:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON directed  attention to the committee  packet and the                                                               
e-mails received since  the last hearing.  He said  he thinks the                                                               
question regarding  fees will be a  good one to address  with the                                                               
State Board  of Education &  Early Development during  an interim                                                               
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:09:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  stated that  she  supports  the idea  of                                                               
having  career preparedness  assessments; however,  she suggested                                                               
that an  exchange versus the  addition of more  assessments would                                                               
be prudent.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON agreed.  He  explained that this assessment has been                                                               
indicated  as  a  means  to   provide  direction  for  vocational                                                               
education.    He said  an  e-mail  forwarded from  Representative                                                               
Munoz, in  the committee packet,  indicates that Alaska  needs to                                                               
decide  between  the  High   School  Graduation  Qualifying  Exam                                                               
(HSGQE) or the WorkKeys Assessment System "WorkKeys."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:11:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER asked  if the results of  the WorkKeys test                                                               
are primarily to help students  decide their course or whether it                                                               
is for  another purpose.   He recommended consideration  be given                                                               
to creating an  incentive for taking the test, such  as making it                                                               
a requirement toward receiving a scholarship.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON noted  that approximately 70 percent  of students do                                                               
not attend  postsecondary education.   The idea  has been  to use                                                               
WorkKeys  as a  tool to  assist students  in assessing  their own                                                               
path.    The other  aspect  would  be whether  to  use  it as  an                                                               
attachment to  the high school diploma.   The HSGQE also  plays a                                                               
part  in  this  picture.     WorkKeys  can  also  be  applied  to                                                               
postsecondary  entry  situations;  it appears  to  have  multiple                                                               
uses.   At the base  of the issue  is a non-effective  HSGQE that                                                               
has  stimulated interest  in  an  alternate assessment  approach.                                                               
Enmeshing WorkKeys  may be the  best way to address  the interest                                                               
of all  students, he proffered.   In response to a  question from                                                               
Representative Munoz, he  said WorkKeys was going to  be given to                                                               
eleventh-graders,  but its  administration has  been postponed  a                                                               
year because  of assessment tool  difficulties.  WorkKeys  can be                                                               
given to students at various  times, he said; a student's highest                                                               
score  would go  on his/her  transcript.   He said  a combination                                                               
test, such as the Prairie  State Achievement Test, may be better.                                                               
The intent  is to continue the  discovery of what will  best work                                                               
for the goals established by the committee.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:19:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON,   in  response  to  Representative   Munoz,  cited                                                               
language on page 1, lines 9-10, of Version E, which read:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          The commissioner shall select for use in the                                                                          
     state  an assessment  designed to  measure a  student's                                                                    
     level of  preparedness to make  the transition  to work                                                                    
     or college.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  said it is  not specified that the  assessment must                                                               
be  WorkKeys.   In  response  to a  follow-up  question, he  said                                                               
Version  E would  require that  the  assessment would  be on  the                                                               
transcript.   He  said he  thinks the  intent of  the bill  is to                                                               
"bring  vocational education  direction down  through the  school                                                               
career."     The  attempt  is   to  implement   an  appropriately                                                               
stratified assessment test, and also provide exit information.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:23:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  suggested the discussion  surrounding this                                                               
concept is just beginning.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  responded that he  expects to have  ideas generated                                                               
from what is on the table as a template.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:23:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  moved to  adopt [Conceptual  Amendment 1],                                                               
to  insert language  on page  2, following  line 7,  which would:                                                               
"provide the Alaska Post-Secondary  Commission with a report that                                                               
is useful in determining eligibility for scholarships".                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  said since there may  be competition among                                                               
districts,  it seems  like  the  issue needs  to  be a  statewide                                                               
responsibility.  In  response to Chair Seaton, he  said he thinks                                                               
that language  would be  different from the  language on  page 2,                                                               
lines 8-10, which read:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          (3) provide a report to each student on the                                                                           
     results   of  the   student's   assessment,  based   on                                                                    
     nationally   recognized  criteria   for  evaluating   a                                                                    
     student's preparedness  to make the transition  to work                                                                    
     or college.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:28:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER,  in   response  to  Representative  Buch,                                                               
explained that  he anticipates  a merit-type  scholarship program                                                               
that will also  be needs based.   He said he sees  the benefit of                                                               
utilizing the  data from the exit  testing.  He said  the details                                                               
could be  worked out but  the concept  is that the  WorkKeys test                                                               
might reveal when a student is not  be able to pass one aspect of                                                               
the test,  but excels in another,  thereby providing quantitative                                                               
information that could be used to help that student.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:29:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH said  he is  contemplating  where all  these                                                               
assessments  should  begin.    He  reviewed  the  idea  that  the                                                               
assessments can be used to follow the career of each student.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  said he  presumes that if  the department  plans to                                                               
provide  each  student  an  assessment,   it  would  submit  that                                                               
information to the postsecondary officials.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:32:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER said he would  like the results of the test                                                               
to  be used  as  a "scholarship  carrot for  kids  that excel  in                                                               
particular areas."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:34:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIANNE  BARRANS,  Executive  Director, Post  Secondary  Education                                                               
Commission,  Department  of   Education  and  Early  Development,                                                               
suggested  including  test  results on  a  student's  transcript,                                                               
because a transcript is a standard  document.  She relayed that a                                                               
separate  application  is  not   needed  for  the  AlaskAdvantage                                                               
Education  Grant  -  a  needs-based  grant.    Every  student  is                                                               
encouraged to  complete the federal application  for federal aid,                                                               
to ensure they receive the full  array of aide available to them.                                                               
The  name of  each Alaskan  student  who completes  that form  is                                                               
added to  a pool  of names  of eligible  students.   Students who                                                               
attend  an Alaskan  institution  "cue up  for  that."   Secondary                                                               
institutions  identify  those  students   who  meet  the  current                                                               
criteria for  academic excellence through  Scholastic Achievement                                                               
Test (SAT) or American College  Testing (ACT) scores.  A WorkKeys                                                               
score above a  certain level also "flips that  switch to academic                                                               
excellence."     Ms.   Barrans  said   these  records   are  kept                                                               
electronically,  and  she  encouraged  the  committee  to  "adopt                                                               
practices  that  would  just  leverage  the  efficiency  of  that                                                               
existing system."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:36:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON asked  if Ms.  Barrans  would recommend  additional                                                               
language to ensure clarity in the bill.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said she is  not certain what additional language, if                                                               
any, is needed.   She said the department is  working on creating                                                               
a database that would allow  information sharing of student data;                                                               
however, she said that may be a few years away.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:38:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  said he thinks  Representative Keller's idea  is to                                                               
make data available to the department.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER confirmed  that is  correct.   He said  he                                                               
thinks  the  idea  to  have  the  information  on  the  student's                                                               
transcript is great.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.   BARRANS  suggested   language  could   be  added   so  that                                                               
information is conveyed to the  Post Secondary Commission for the                                                               
purposes of determining eligibility "as needed."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:39:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER suggested that  the department may need to                                                               
know an  aggregate number if,  for example, there were  a program                                                               
that selected the top 10 percent of students.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS responded that the  commission would not need to know                                                               
the aggregate; it would just need  to know "the score above which                                                               
the top  10 percent  sit."   She said  she thinks  the commission                                                               
would be  able to "develop  an interface with the  department" in                                                               
order to access that information.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:40:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  proffered that conceptually  it would be  useful to                                                               
have language that  would provide, as needed,  information to the                                                               
Alaska  Commission  on  Post-Secondary Education  that  would  be                                                               
useful for scholarship determination.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:40:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  noted that Conceptual  Amendment 1 would add  a new                                                               
subsection.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:40:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON asked  if  there was  any  objection to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1 to Version E.  There being none, it was so ordered.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:41:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON directed attention to  the language on page 2, lines                                                               
11-12, which read as follows:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
       (d)   The   results    of   a   student's   career                                                                       
     preparedness assessment shall be displayed in summary                                                                      
     form on the student's high school diploma.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON questioned  whether the  language "and  transcript"                                                               
needs  to be  added to  ensure that  the results  are noted  on a                                                               
student's transcript.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:42:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDDY  JEANS, Director,  School  Finance  and Facilities  Section,                                                               
Department   of   Education   and   Early   Development   (DEED),                                                               
recommended  that the  words "and  on the  transcripts" be  added                                                               
now, if  that is the intent  of the committee, so  that the State                                                               
Board of Education can consider  those words when it meets during                                                               
the upcoming  interim to  speak about  and formalize  an official                                                               
position on this particular issue.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:43:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  moved to adopt [Conceptual  Amendment 2],                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     On page 2, line 12, after "high school":                                                                                   
          Delete "diploma"                                                                                                      
          Insert "transcript"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER opined  that it is more  important to have                                                               
the information  noted in a  transcript than on a  diploma, since                                                               
the transcript is more readily available and used.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:44:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  objected to Conceptual  Amendment 2.   He explained                                                               
that  the focus  of the  committee  is to  encourage students  to                                                               
graduate,  and if  the language  simply states  "transcript", the                                                               
results will be listed whether or  not the student graduates.  He                                                               
said he does  not think it would detract from  the intent to list                                                               
both "diploma" and "transcript".                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER suggested  that a  diploma is  a document                                                               
that people  frame and put  on the  wall, and therefore  they may                                                               
not  want their  test scores  posted  on it.   Nevertheless,  she                                                               
indicated  that  the   committee  is  in  the   early  stages  of                                                               
discussing the issue.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ and [AN UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER] concurred.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:45:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON sought the will of the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:45:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  stated support  in having  the information                                                               
listed on both the diploma and the transcript.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  reiterated that [having  the information  listed on                                                               
both the  diploma and  the transcript]  is germane  to addressing                                                               
the drop-out issue.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:46:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  said she  understands that  the committee                                                               
is  ultimately  working  on drop-out  prevention    However,  she                                                               
stated that the  testing is an assessment, not  a pass/fail test,                                                               
which provides  information to students, parents,  and the school                                                               
district, regarding  a student's  strengths and weaknesses.   She                                                               
remarked, "The diploma is something else again."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  agreed that  a diploma is  a commemorative                                                               
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON reiterated that a diploma represents graduation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:48:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ expressed her  preference that the scores be                                                               
recorded only  on the  transcript and not  on the  diploma, which                                                               
she agreed is more of a commemorative document.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:49:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   WILSON  indicated   that   it   would  be   more                                                               
appropriate to  require the information  be put on  the student's                                                               
transcript, since  there is other  information on  the transcript                                                               
that may be of interest.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:50:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  noted that  currently school  districts have                                                               
two  commemorative documents:   a  diploma and  a certificate  of                                                               
attendance.   The  latter  is given  to a  student  who does  not                                                               
graduate, in  appreciation of  the time  he/she spent  in school.                                                               
He opined  that records  should be  kept in a  usable form,  on a                                                               
document   that   provides  information   appropriately   through                                                               
electronic searches.   He questioned how  much information should                                                               
be  added to  a  diploma.   He  said it  seems  the committee  is                                                               
attempting  to   acknowledge  the  assessment  process,   and  he                                                               
questioned how that would be denoted  on a diploma.  He concurred                                                               
with those  committee members who  acknowledged the diploma  as a                                                               
commemorative document.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:52:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON asked  if  there was  any  objection to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 2.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[AN UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER] objected.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:52:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER noted  that  this issue  has been  debated                                                               
nationally.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:52:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  said  [placing  a  student's  assessment                                                               
results  on   his/her  transcript]  would  be   like  printing  a                                                               
legislator's  election  results  on the  commemorative  document,                                                               
which  the lieutenant  governor signs,  following a  legislator's                                                               
swearing in oath.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:53:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.    Representatives Buch,  Gardner,                                                               
Munoz, Wilson, Edgmon  voted in favor of  Conceptual Amendment 2.                                                               
Representatives Keller  and Seaton voted against  it.  Therefore,                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 2 was adopted by a vote of 5-2.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:54:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON directed attention  to the language on page                                                               
1, lines 6-8, of Version E, which read as follows:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.    14.03.073.   Secondary    student   career                                                                  
     assessment.  (a)  Each  school district  in  the  state                                                                  
     shall  require  students  in grade  12  to  complete  a                                                                    
     career preparedness  assessment as described in  (b) of                                                                    
     this section.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  questioned whether it would  be helpful to                                                               
add the  language "after graduation  from high  school" following                                                               
"assessment" if the  intent is to assess the  students after they                                                               
graduate.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:56:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON suggested  that it may be  difficult to get                                                               
students to return for a test once they have graduated.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:56:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON then  directed  attention  to language  on                                                               
page 2, lines 8-10, which read:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          (3) provide a report to each student on the                                                                           
     results   of  the   student's   assessment,  based   on                                                                    
     nationally   recognized  criteria   for  evaluating   a                                                                    
     student's preparedness  to make the transition  to work                                                                    
     or college.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON  suggested   adding  the  language  "after                                                             
graduation from high school" to the word "college".                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:57:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  told Representative  Edgmon  that  the definition  of                                                               
graduation from  high school is "meeting  the course requirements                                                               
plus passing  the high school  qualifying exam."  A  student that                                                               
meets  all   the  course  requirements  gets   a  certificate  of                                                               
attendance.   He  said he  does not  think Representative  Edgmon                                                               
intends  to limit  the work-ready  assessment to  only those  who                                                               
graduate; every  student should take  the assessment.   He added,                                                               
"And, based on your previous  amendment, you want it reflected on                                                               
all their transcripts."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON responded, "That's fine, thanks."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:58:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS,  in response  to Chair  Seaton, stated  that currently                                                               
districts  are required  to provide  the  WorkKeys assessment  to                                                               
students  in the  eleventh  grade.   He  said  that makes  sense,                                                               
because that  gives children an idea  of where they are  going to                                                               
score.   He said if  it were up to  him, he would  administer the                                                               
assessment to  students twice -  once in eleventh grade  and once                                                               
in twelfth  - and  then take the  higher of the  two scores.   He                                                               
offered his  understanding that the  range of scores is  three to                                                               
seven in three categories.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:00:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARSHA  OLSON,  Teaching/Learning  Support (TSL),  Department  of                                                               
Education and  Early Development (DEED), told  the committee that                                                               
she  works  in  the  current technical  education  units  in  the                                                               
department  and  has been  working  with  WorkKeys for  a  couple                                                               
years.   In response to  Chair Seaton, she stated  that according                                                               
to  regulations, a  student  must take  [the  assessment] in  the                                                               
eleventh  grade and  may take  it one  more time  at the  state's                                                               
expense.  Currently, that expense  is $5.00 per test per student,                                                               
which is  $15.00 for the group  of tests.  Following  exit of the                                                               
school system,  if a student  wants to retake the  WorkKeys test,                                                               
he/she would  have to do  so at a  job center or  another testing                                                               
center, which may include additional fees.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:01:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. OLSON, in response to Chair  Seaton, said ACT is the official                                                               
keeper of  scores; however,  she said she  does not  know whether                                                               
ACT  keeps a  student's highest  score or  his/her latest  score.                                                               
She offered to check with the  company.  In response to a follow-                                                               
up comment  from Chair Seaton,  she said the department  owns the                                                               
data pertaining  to test scores  and, thus, has  immediate access                                                               
to it.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:03:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  said current regulation  requires eleventh  graders to                                                               
be administered the  test, with an option for them  to retake it.                                                               
He offered  his understanding  that when  the student  can retake                                                               
the test is not in regulation,  and he suggested that that may be                                                               
a  better time  frame  then  requiring them  to  take  it in  the                                                               
twelfth grade.   The eleventh-grade  assessment could be  used as                                                               
baseline information listed on transcripts.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:05:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.   OLSON,  in   response   to   Representative  Wilson,   said                                                               
regulations do  not specify  at which point  in eleventh  grade a                                                               
student has to take the assessment.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON suggested  that if  the assessment  is not                                                               
administered  early in  the eleventh  grade,  then some  children                                                               
might not have  enough time to amend their course  of study.  She                                                               
opined that the  tenth grade might be a better  level at which to                                                               
give students the test.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:06:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  said  there  is  another  assessment,  the  Worldwide                                                               
Interactive Network  (WIN), which  is aligned with  WorkKeys, and                                                               
he  indicated that  it must  be given  to students  in sixth  and                                                               
eighth grades.   Because of that, he said, he  does not think the                                                               
timing of the test given in eleventh grade is an issue.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:07:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  questioned why, if  the one test  is given                                                               
in  sixth and  eighth grades,  the other  is not  given in  tenth                                                               
grade, with  the option for the  student to take it  again in the                                                               
twelfth grade.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. OLSON offered  her understanding that tenth  graders take the                                                               
HSQE and  other standards-based assessments, and  the State Board                                                               
of Education &  Early Development did not want  to overload tenth                                                               
graders with yet another mandated test.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  then  said  she  hopes  schools  consider                                                               
administering the  assessment within the first  month of eleventh                                                               
grade.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:08:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON reminded  the committee that the  proposed bill does                                                               
not  specify  WorkKeys, it  would  simply  require an  assessment                                                               
regarding  applied  mathematics,  reading  for  information,  and                                                               
information finding.  Therefore,  if another means is discovered,                                                               
the commissioner will have the  latitude to decide what test will                                                               
be implemented.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:09:34 AM]                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  indicated that  in terms of  the assessment,                                                               
he supports not including exclusionary language.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:10:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  stated her understanding that  the ultimate                                                               
intent is to provide vocational  opportunities to students headed                                                               
in that  direction.  She  said students are given  the assessment                                                               
when in the eleventh grade, in  order for skills to be identified                                                               
and  fostered,   but  questioned   how  the  repetition   of  the                                                               
assessment  in  the   twelfth  grade  would  "tie   in  with  the                                                               
availability of those courses."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:10:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  spoke  of  the effort  to  get  students  actively                                                               
involved  in achievement  and to  prevent students  from dropping                                                               
out of school  anytime after taking the HSGQE  in eleventh grade.                                                               
He  said  people have  related  through  past testimony  that  if                                                               
"everything's measured in eleventh  grade," then senior year does                                                               
not mean anything to some students.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:13:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  opined  that   the  assessment  should  be                                                               
provided in eleventh  grade so that students can  be aligned with                                                               
vocational learning  opportunities while  they are still  in high                                                               
school.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:14:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH pointed  out that  on page  2, line  10, the                                                               
language  includes   "college".     He  said  the   committee  is                                                               
acknowledging that  the current system  has not been  working and                                                               
is  attempting to  make it  more responsive  to what  the state's                                                               
requirements should be.  He  questioned why students are dropping                                                               
out of  school and  what kind  of a  product the  state has  as a                                                               
result of  allowing students  to advance  from high  school [when                                                               
they are not  prepared to do so].   He said he  agrees with Chair                                                               
Seaton  that a  credible assessment  is not  currently available,                                                               
and he said the legislature is responsible for the system.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:17:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  stated  that the  committee  is  putting                                                               
forth an  effort to  reconstruct a system  that is  not currently                                                               
working for some students.   Testing eleventh-graders can provide                                                               
assessment  scores to  alter the  direction they  are headed  and                                                               
help keep them  engaged.  She stated  that college-bound students                                                               
already know  their path  by eleventh  grade, and  the assessment                                                               
may  highlight  their strengths  and  weaknesses  and point  them                                                               
toward  a suitable  field  of  study.   She  questioned what  the                                                               
assessments can do  for those students who don't even  make it to                                                               
eleventh grade,  because "we've already  missed them  by eleventh                                                               
grade."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:19:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON, in  response to  Representative Wilson,  clarified                                                               
what the  adopted Conceptual  Amendment would  do, and  he stated                                                               
his intent to hold the bill through the interim.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:20:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER requested  that the  bill be  divided into                                                               
two  separate bills  with  the  issue of  drop-outs  and how  the                                                               
students  are doing  in one,  and the  matter of  computations in                                                               
another.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:20:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON stated support  of that idea, and indicated                                                               
that  one of  the bills  may not  have a  fiscal note,  while the                                                               
other would.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:21:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON offered  his understanding that if  the question was                                                               
divided, Sections 2  and 3 would be included in  a separate bill.                                                               
Section 1 would become a bill  solely addressing the issue of the                                                               
prevention of  student drop-outs.   He indicated that  having all                                                               
the sections  together in  one bill acts  as a  "dollar incentive                                                               
for districts  to maintain  their membership  and not  have drop-                                                               
outs."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:24:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS, in response to  a question from Representative Edgmon,                                                               
stated that  if the bill was  divided, there would be  two fiscal                                                               
notes:  one  from Assessment and Accountability and  one from the                                                               
School Finance and Facilities Section.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON asked  if there would be a  fiscal note for                                                               
"the assessment portion of the bill."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  replied that he  does not think so,  because districts                                                               
are currently  required to administer the  assessment to students                                                               
in eleventh grade.  He said  he thinks if legislation passed that                                                               
required the assessment for twelfth  graders, then the department                                                               
would amend  its regulations  to reflect  that change.   However,                                                               
the  department currently  intends for  all districts  to provide                                                               
for the  assessment in the  eleventh grade, with  the opportunity                                                               
for students to retake it.   In response to a follow-up question,                                                               
Mr. Jeans  said any fiscal note  pertaining to [Sections 2  and 3                                                               
of   HB  206]   would  be   minimal,  because   he  offered   his                                                               
understanding  that   there  would  not  be   a  requirement  for                                                               
additional resources for the department.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:26:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON, in response to  Representative Wilson, outlined the                                                               
three disparate  portions of the bill:   page 1, line  5, through                                                               
page 2, line 12, regarding career  assessment;  page 2, lines 13-                                                               
24, regarding  enrolling in postsecondary institutions;  and page                                                               
2, beginning  on line 25,  providing an incentive for  schools to                                                               
keep students  in class past  an October  count date.   All three                                                               
portions address different tangents related to graduation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:27:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  reiterated that there  would be two fiscal  notes from                                                               
two separate sections of the department.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:28:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER moved  to adopt Amendment 3,  to divide the                                                               
bill into two parts "as per the semi-colon in the title."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:28:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  objected.   She said she  understands the                                                               
second  aspect  of  the  bill   is  also  an  effort  to  improve                                                               
graduation rates.   Although that portion of the  bill deals with                                                               
the funding process, the focus is still the same.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:29:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER responded  that the  spirit is  different.                                                               
Regarding "the  second half of the  bill," he said, "You  have to                                                               
start  with the  premise that  the school  districts are  pushing                                                               
kids out,"  which he said "doesn't  fit."  He stated,  "It may be                                                               
true, but  ... I'd like  us to go  forward with a  positive bill,                                                               
where  we're  looking  at  getting involved  with  the  kids  and                                                               
helping them  out, ... rather than  being a police action  in the                                                               
school district."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:29:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARDNER    responded   that    she   appreciates                                                               
Representative  Keller's  concern and  does  not  want anyone  to                                                               
think she  does not  think teachers  are doing  what they  can to                                                               
keep children  in school.   She described part  of the bill  as a                                                               
means to  "build ... into  the system an additional  little piece                                                               
of incentive for them to focus on retention."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:30:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON remarked  that HB  206  is on  its way  to                                                               
becoming  an   omnibus  bill  on  education,   with  one  portion                                                               
addressing assessments  and the other addressing  student counts.                                                               
He opined that those points  merit two separate discussions going                                                               
forward.    He   said  he  thinks  at  this   point  he  supports                                                               
Representative   Keller's   statement   that  both   issues   are                                                               
important, but for different reasons.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:31:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  reiterated that the  bill actually  addresses three                                                               
points.  Furthermore,  he reiterated that the  intent of bringing                                                               
the  bill forward  is primarily  for discussion  and to  create a                                                               
template.   He  stated  that  [HB 206]  should  be considered  an                                                               
omnibus  bill.     In  response  to   Representative  Edgmon,  he                                                               
confirmed that  there is  not necessarily  any intention  to keep                                                               
the bill as "one package."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:33:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER withdrew  Amendment 3.  He  asked about the                                                               
possibility of making submissions to the omnibus bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:34:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON said  that would  be appropriate.   He  offered his                                                               
understanding that there would be  a conference held in the fall,                                                               
and  he  expressed his  hope  that  the committee  members  would                                                               
attend.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:34:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked if it  is the intent of the committee                                                               
that there  not be a career  assessment in high school  until the                                                               
twelfth grade,  because that is  the current language  in Version                                                               
E.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:35:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  offered his  understanding that  current regulation                                                               
requires the  assessment to be  given to eleventh  graders, while                                                               
Version  E would  require it  be given  to twelfth  graders.   He                                                               
reiterated  that  the  crux  of  that  portion  of  the  proposed                                                               
legislation  is  to  figure  out how  to  keep  students  engaged                                                               
through their senior year.  He  opined that the HSQE is obsolete,                                                               
and said that  topic will come under further  discussion with the                                                               
State Board of Education & Early Development.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:37:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS, in response to  a question from Representative Wilson,                                                               
said  there are  between 6,000-8,000  students who  graduate each                                                               
year in Alaska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  remarked that  if [the  career assessment]                                                               
is required  more than once  in high school, that  would increase                                                               
the fiscal note.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:38:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  stated  that  concern about  the  fiscal  note  is                                                               
premature,  and policy  should be  the focus.   Nevertheless,  he                                                               
pointed out that the HSQE costs  money, and another test could be                                                               
substituted for it.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:38:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  said although there are  problems with the                                                               
HSQE, he would  not abandon it without a lot  of discussion.  The                                                               
state has  spent a lot  of money on it,  and it provides  data to                                                               
the state regarding performance.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:40:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID ARP,  Business Manager, Sitka School  District, stated that                                                               
he  was surprised  to  hear that  the bill  was  structured as  a                                                               
strategy  to   prevent  drop-outs,  because  he   was  under  the                                                               
impression that  the intent  was to  come up  with tools  for the                                                               
school district  to use  to "smooth  out" its  budgeting process.                                                               
Therefore, Mr.  Arp said his only  testimony at this point  is to                                                               
ask the committee  to allow the school district  to stay involved                                                               
in the process.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:41:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON invited Mr. Arp  to provide any subsequent input via                                                               
e-mail.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:42:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAICHI  OBA,  Assistant  Vice President  of  Student  Services  &                                                               
Enrollment Management,  University of Alaska, concurred  with Ms.                                                               
Barran's  recommendation that  the [career  assessment] score  be                                                               
included on  the transcript.   He stated  that the  University of                                                               
Alaska should  receive test scores  so that it can  help students                                                               
who want  to pursue a  post-secondary education.  In  response to                                                               
Chair  Seaton,  he clarified  that  currently  students who  take                                                               
standardized   tests  in   Alaska,   including  the   Preliminary                                                               
Scholastic Achievement Test (PSAT)  and SAT, typically have those                                                               
scores  sent  to  the  institutions  that  they  are  considering                                                               
attending  after  high   school.    Mr.  Oba   related  that  the                                                               
University  of Alaska  has  not  worked with  WorkKeys  yet.   He                                                               
continued:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     If  the student  elects  to send  those  on, then  that                                                                    
     would work.   However, if the scores aren't  sent on by                                                                    
     the individual,  then what I'm  suggesting is  that the                                                                    
     school  or  the  district,  or  [DEED]  themselves,  be                                                                    
     prepared to  share the scores  with the  university, so                                                                    
     that  we   can  help  students  who   might  show  some                                                                    
     deficiency in  college preparedness in an  area of math                                                                    
     or  writing for  example.   ...  If we  get that  early                                                                    
     enough in their  high school career, then  we can offer                                                                    
     some type  of guidance.   If  we only  see it  on their                                                                    
     final  transcript  as a  senior,  when  they apply  for                                                                    
     admission, ... it's too late.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. OBA, in  response to Chair Seaton, said  students indicate to                                                               
which schools  they would like the  PSAT or SAT scores  sent when                                                               
they fill out the actual registration for the exam.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:46:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.   OLSON,   in  response   to   Chair   Seaton,  offered   her                                                               
understanding  that  the  same  option does  not  appear  on  the                                                               
WorkKeys score sheet as is on the PSAT and SAT.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:46:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked Ms. Olson if  a student has to send on his/her                                                               
WorkKeys  score to  an  institution, or  if  the institution  can                                                               
contact  the Department  of  Education that  it  has received  an                                                               
application from someone and ask for that person's score.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. OLSON indicated  that she needs to look  into federal privacy                                                               
issues to be able to answer that question.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  said  these  questions  will  be  highlighted  for                                                               
further discussion.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:47:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH  questioned  how  exceptional  students  are                                                               
addressed.   He said the  system should  not be an  impediment to                                                               
anyone.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  said he would  look into that  issue and respond  at a                                                               
later date.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:49:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   WILSON  provided   a   personal   story  of   an                                                               
exceptional student at her district's local school.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:51:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON summarized the achievements of the meeting.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[HB 206 was held.]                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:52:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 9:52 a.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ACPENeeds Merit Components 3 19 09.pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
Additional training resources (2).pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
UA Final Need Based Report.pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
Needs based scholarship letter from ACPE.pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
Ak education data.pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
Early Childhood
HB 94 Materials.pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
HB 94
HB 94 letter from University of AK president.pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
HB 94
HB 206 material.pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 206
HB 206 cs workdraft.pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
HB 206